Take Creative Risks, Champion Self Worth with Sarah Gormley
In this episode of Good Enough for Now, Sarah Gormley, owner of Sarah Gormley Gallery shares with us her story from being an overachiever to overjoyed.
Sarah enjoyed a successful marketing career with global brands before a family health crisis nudged her to take a year off during which she began to evaluate her life, career and relationships. A recovering overachiever, Sarah took on therapy, self-reflection and relocation and boosted her self-worth. She opened her art gallery, found love, began writing a memoir and hasn’t looked back since.
Tune in to hear Sarah share openly and honestly about what it looks like to pivot in life, take risks, and leave it all behind for the possibility of something greater than you imagined.
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What we cover in this episode:
Change can happen from unexpected circumstances if you’re open to it.
Practicing inner work to instill a sense of worthiness
Taking risks, trying resources like therapy, and believing in yourself
Recognizing when it’s time to let something go and lean into greater possibilities
How to foster lifelong friendships and own what you bring to the table
What Good Enough For Now means to Sarah:
What I need to do is move from the questioning, “Is this enough?” to the statement, “This is good enough for now for today”. You have done what you can do for today. Tomorrow, figure it out, keep moving, keep going. And learn to enjoy this. That's another thing, especially as women, we're so hard on ourselves. We have so much societal pressure to achieve on a myriad of levels and it's like, just take a breath, we're good. Be kind to yourself. You got this.
ABOUT
Sarah Gormley owns a contemporary art gallery, Sarah Gormley Gallery (SGG), in Columbus, Ohio that operates from the belief that original art can be a source of joy for everyone. She opened the gallery in 2019, 25 years after her grandmother gifted Sarah with her first piece of art when she graduated from DePauw University.
Sarah’s undergraduate degree reinforced an early love for literature and writing, with a heavy sprinkling of the liberal arts fairy dust that teaches you how to think, analyze and articulate a clear point of view. That foundation was rounded out by concentrations in marketing and operations at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business.
Her marketing career included both agency work and in-house roles with global brands including IMAX, Martha Stewart, Girl Scouts of the USA and Adobe. Sarah built teams and marketing models during a time when marketing shifted from being a cost center to a revenue driver and loved, and excelled at, turning ideas into action. She continues to mentor former team members and colleagues and attributes most of her corporate success to being as good a listener as she was a decision maker.
Sarah was honored as one of 2015’s Forty Women to Watch Over 40, a list that celebrates women who are upending the perception that 40 is past your prime. She has also been featured in Forbes and The CMO Club.
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Stephanie Kruse (00:05):
Welcome to Good Enough for now, a podcast aimed at dismantling perfectionism, one conversation at a time. I'm Stephanie Kruse, and along with my guests on the show, we share stories of false starts, unexpected U-turns, and moments of reinvention that happen as we move through life. Thanks for joining me. My hope is that our conversations will help you stay grounded, feel a little less alone, and a little bit more together.
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So lately I have been focused on trying to help both of my kids by giving them examples of what it means to achieve when it actually feels right to you, not just because it looks good on paper. And it reminded me of the conversation that I had with Sarah Gormley, who is my guest on today's show. This is a friend of mine who I met through our writing workshop, but we both have gone through reinventions of ourselves. Sarah is now the owner of an art gallery, but certainly didn't start out her career doing that. In this conversation, we start talking about what it means to achieve and be sort of addicted to the accolades, but feel hollow about what they provide, and ultimately that they don't give you fulfillment. And I'll have to say, I think I got there in my life probably as I approach 40, as many of us do.
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But what's interesting is thinking about the next generation, whether that be, you wanna call them Gen Z, I think millennials are somewhat like this as well, is that there have been so many messages to them about find your passion, find your passion, that I start to wonder if that's almost the new overachievement instead of the degree. And the title, if Find Your Passion is the badge. And really, I think what we mean by that is find a few things you like and might be willing to explore that feel slightly more interesting to you than others. And if we start from that place, who knows where it'll take us. And in this conversation with Sarah, certainly there was a catalyst that helped her to see how unhappy she truly was going through the sort of typical career trajectory. But once she got through that and started to really understand herself and what made her happy, she found that if she just sort of started putting those ideas out into the world and letting people help her taking a step in one direction, trying it, that she started to understand that that is what really brings her fulfillment.
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So I don't know what that will bring up for you, but I really enjoyed it. And not only am I gonna talk to Sarah, but the next episode after this is with Devi Vallabhaneni, who is an artist that Sarah represents and has gone through a similar trajectory. So as I always like to say, we are not alone in this journey and we can all listen in and help ourselves feel a little bit more seen and together to maybe find what our next interest area is without having it be [inaudible]. Anyway, I hope you enjoy it. Sarah Gormley owns a contemporary art gallery, Sarah Gormley Gallery in Columbus, Ohio that operates from the belief that original art can be a source of joy for everyone. She opened the gallery in 20 19, 25 years after her grandmother gifted Sarah with her first piece of art. When she graduated from DePauw University. Her marketing career included both agency work and in-house roles with global brands, including imax, Martha Stewart, girl Scouts of the U S A and Adobe Sarah built teams and marketing models. During a time when marketing shifted from being a cost center to a revenue driver and loved and excelled at turning ideas into action, Sarah was honored as one of 20 fifteens 40 women to watch over 40 illicit celebrates women who are upending the perception that 40 is past your prime. Woohoo. She has also been featured in Forbes and the CMO Club. Welcome, Sarah
Sarah Gormley (04:13):
Gormley. Hi Stephanie. Thank you for having me.
Stephanie Kruse (04:15):
Oh my gosh, I feel like I get so lucky to have these conversations with like some of my favorite people. And you're definitely on that list.
Sarah Gormley (04:22):
Oh,
Stephanie Kruse (04:23):
So Sarah, tell me where you're in your life right now.
Sarah Gormley (04:27):
Specifically. I'm sitting in the kitchen of my little black house on Hamlet Street, which is the first house I've ever owned. C things like must own home. And so at age eight I finally bought a house. And so I'm sitting here at the kitchen with my fat cat asleep next to me. And I'm in, as you mentioned, Columbus, Ohio in many ways, sort of home after this corporate career in New York and San, I'm also in year five of a big transition. I just realized that I came back to Ohio at the end of, and dropped out of corporate life and took a year off my year at the farm and then ended up opening the gallery. So I'm sort of an anniversary if you'll, there has been so much change in my life in the five years that like, I never ever would've thought a, that I would ever live in Ohio again. I never thought I would have an art gallery. And I also never thought not to be cheesy, that I would be like in a happy relationship. So all these things have happened. I still look around the camera like, is this my life? So it's all the things. It's exciting, it's terrifying. I'm super proud of myself. I'm scared shitless. You know, it's all the,
Stephanie Kruse (05:57):
At some point you had some idea about where you thought you would've been, right? You just said it's different than what you expected. So take me through what that looked like and where you came to the point at which you said maybe not.
Sarah Gormley (06:14):
I've always been a bit of an overachiever, and so I just kinda went on my way after I graduated from undergrad, I went and got an MBA at the University of Chicago. Didn't really know what that would look like. I just knew I wanted to achieve. And so I just started climbing. And I mean, I was good at working and I had interesting roles with interesting brands and I always thought I would get married and have children. And you know, I was of an age, I just turned 50, so I sort of, the big trade conversation had already started meaned, what would I do? Well, Mr. Man and kids didn't ever happen
Stephanie Kruse (06:57):
<laugh>.
Sarah Gormley (06:59):
So I was like, well gee, doesn't seem like that's happening for me. So I guess I'll just thank God I'm good at working.
Stephanie Kruse (07:08):
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Gormley (07:08):
<affirmative>, I mean, it sounds so awful, but I can't even, I'm cringing as I say it because I just thought, well, like this is what I do. And the more I worked and the bigger the titles became and the bigger the salaries got and the teams and the travel, the more miserable I was.
Stephanie Kruse (07:26):
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Gormley (07:27):
<affirmative>. And I just, I couldn't figure it out. And I was so frustrated with myself. And so the universe kind of arranged itself in 17 and I had lost, ugh, I had lost my dad in 16 and then my mom's cancer came back and I was failing at Adobe and everybody knew it <laugh>. I was just struggling and I thought I was gonna have a nervous breakdown and I was just like, something has to change. And I didn't know what that would look like. And so I decided to take a full year off and not work.
Stephanie Kruse (08:03):
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Gormley (08:03):
<affirmative>, regardless of what happened with my mom, who as it turns out, passed away in February of 18. But I just said, I'm going back to Ohio. I'm going live on the family farm and I'm just going to clear my and not work. I was scared to death.
Stephanie Kruse (08:20):
I can't imagine,
Sarah Gormley (08:21):
Not financially, but more like, like what will I talk about? Like my job is my identity. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don't have husband, I don't have children to live through vicariously. <laugh> like the job is the thing. And then I realized through some candid conversations with friends, they're like, um, your job is our least favorite thing about, you're so stressed and bitching about it all. High job. So of that,
Stephanie Kruse (08:56):
Yeah. With all of the conversation that's happening about women in the workforce and especially women in, you know, you were at a VP level, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> at Adobe, you had reached that pinnacle of what so many women believe is where we need to be. You know, you achieve until you get up into the executive ranks, all of the second wave feminists, you know, we can have it all. We can do it all. All of that promise delivered you got it. Right. For sure. There are things personal to you that you know, made that either fulfilling or not, but how much of it do you think also is sort of around the systems that you saw, you know, now looking back at it, that either supported you or made it difficult to be a woman in that role?
Sarah Gormley (09:46):
That is such a great question and I'm very cautious about making generalizations. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> about women in the workplace. Women in tech. Because my experience and decision making and the reason I was failing and failing was because I was being like, I wasn't being true to myself. Right. That was, I knew I didn't love the work I was doing. I loved the people, I loved the ideas, I loved achieving, but there was something missing. And I think that at Adobe in particular, there were a lot of women who were thriving. And so my challenges I think were more personal and emotional. Does that make sense?
Stephanie Kruse (10:33):
Yeah. I'm
Sarah Gormley (10:34):
Not saying that it's not still completely flawed, that we haven't figured out a way in this country to enable women to have careers and families and make it all work. Those things are all true. I don't think I saw anything or could summarize anything because I was so in my zone.
Stephanie Kruse (10:56):
Right. And
Sarah Gormley (10:56):
I also, I didn't have the strains that working mothers had. I didn't have to be home for after school and get them to school in the morning. And I was so struggling. <laugh>. Right. Which I put pressure on myself of that. I'm like, well, should be knocking it outta the park every day. Cause I have all this time to dedicate to my career. So I was even harder on myself.
Stephanie Kruse (11:25):
Oh yeah, no, I could totally see that. Right. Yeah. It's like, well I don't have these constraints, so why am I not completely crushing it? I don't have to go home at five and relieve nanny. I don't have these excuses. But I think what's interesting about what you said though is your struggles with it were really more about how you were defining for yourself what was meaningful and what was missing. You know, outside the constructs of like single versus married kids, no kids, you know, taking care of parents are not, you know, all of those distractions really.
Sarah Gormley (11:59):
Right. Distractions. And I think, you know, I feel happy happiness are such loaded fulfillment. Right? Like I wanted my job <laugh> to fill me up with things that it is not a job's job to do
Stephanie Kruse (12:23):
<laugh>. Yeah.
Sarah Gormley (12:25):
So if you are looking for your job to make you feel great about yourself and feel satisfied with the direction of your life now, I'm like, well that's not, that's not the job's job. I mean it can be part of it <laugh>, but you know, so I kept taking roles and then wondering why I didn't feel more fulfilled.
Stephanie Kruse (12:50):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. The buckets still empty even though it's like painted gold now. <laugh>.
Sarah Gormley (12:57):
Yeah. I was like, I have to take a year off. It's gonna take at least a year to get some of this off of me <laugh>.
Stephanie Kruse (13:06):
Exactly. Like how do Id my skin? Like this is not an overnight process to get some space to look at it.
Sarah Gormley (13:13):
Yes, absolutely.
Stephanie Kruse (13:16):
That takes a lot of courage. I mean, especially for somebody who you called yourself the overachiever, right? That's about external feedback and external rewards, right? Old stars, old stars, a pluses, jobs, salaries, house, all of that stuff. Right? So where did that metamorphosis come into play that caused you to say, well hey, maybe I'll stay here in Columbus. This place near where I grew up,
Sarah Gormley (13:44):
I think that my mom's cancer coming back and being like, well there's something important I need to do in my life. It's go be with my mom, not sell software. And so in a way, that was the catalyst. And then, I mean, I fell in love.
Stephanie Kruse (14:06):
Yay.
Sarah Gormley (14:07):
<laugh>, yay. Love in the most shocking, surprising, beautiful way ever. I mean, I was at the point I thought of my life. I lost my father. My mom was dying of cancer. I had no home, no car, no job. 45 years old living in my childhood bedroom at the family. So I fell in love with this wonderful man. Well I'm gonna stick around for this.
Stephanie Kruse (14:43):
And then
Sarah Gormley (14:45):
As the sabbatical year kinda started to wind down, I was like, woo. Now what? I started doing some consulting, which felt very similar to the past jobs. There were slides and meetings and presentations and mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I tried to myself that it was different cause it was consulting and I'm like the ick factor C right back up for me. And then cause Columbus is Columbus and serendipity, there was an opportunity to open a pop-up art gallery in this beautiful space down the street from where I had an apartment in Columbus. The family farm was about an hour from Columbus. So in January of 19, I moved into this apartment and there was this little space 9 88 North High Street. And um, somebody said, I heard you might want open an art gallery. We have a space. I mean, does that happen
Stephanie Kruse (15:44):
To had you said like, I'm really interested in art and thinking about opening a gallery. Yes. So you had talked about
Sarah Gormley (15:50):
It. Oh yeah. So it's something I had dreamt of doing since I graduated from college in 1994, many, many years
Stephanie Kruse (15:58):
Ago. <laugh>,
Sarah Gormley (16:00):
And this is hundred percent true. I was at a cocktail party in the beautiful apartment building I would just moved into and someone who worked for the developer asked me what I was doing and I said, oh, this consulting thing. But what I'd really like to do is open a popup gallery. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, his name was Tyler. And Tyler emailed me the next day and said, well, we have a space that would be great for a popup gallery. Why don't you come see it? This was in February. So I moved in in January, February was the cocktail party. I go see the gallery and I said, oh, okay, well, and he said, well when do you think you could open <laugh>? I dunno, may, June. He was like, why? Why don't we do April? So the glimmer of an idea talked about at a cocktail party in February became Sarah Gormley Gallery, which opened in April of 19.
Stephanie Kruse (16:56):
Amazing.
Sarah Gormley (16:57):
I'm still shocked. I mean, I just figured it out. I mean, I just was like, oh, well I guess I'll need a logo and a website.
Stephanie Kruse (17:05):
Well you had all those skills, right? Well there's that.
Sarah Gormley (17:13):
Yeah. So it really, it sounds unbelievable. And yet it happened to me and because of me and I love it. And so now three and a half, almost well before in April, four years and I have a, a new space, a new location, which is stunning.
Stephanie Kruse (17:34):
Amazing. I got to see it. And so fortunate visit is sidewalk just kismet. So a couple things that you said I wanna ask you about. Ok. So you come to Columbus, you go through this hard time with the death of your mother. Yes. You find love surprisingly, which, you know, we get the things we need when we're not looking for them. Right? I mean some of those cliches are true. That happens.
Sarah Gormley (18:10):
Oh no, I'm like a bad pop song. I mean it's Hallmark poem rep and fantastic. So <laugh>,
Stephanie Kruse (18:31):
Both things are true. But here's the thing. Certainly you had exited yourself from your sort of good on life, right? Right. The life that you had crafted, thinking that's what you were maybe supposed to be doing or that was supposed to feel right. It didn't feel right. And then you transitioned and then found yourself following these breadcrumbs. Was there some change between maybe the intellectual pursuit of achievement,
Sarah Gormley (18:59):
Uhhuh <affirmative>
Stephanie Kruse (19:00):
And the connection to maybe your gut intuition that happened as you were going through this that you found made a difference to openness to some of these opportunities that came your way?
Sarah Gormley (19:10):
Oh God, that is a good question. Yes. I think the openness mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I think that's the word. And I would be remiss if I didn't attribute, most if not all of this changed to therapy. I mean, not everybody wants to talk to a therapy head. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, I started working with my therapist 10 years ago. And so while it looks like in the Hallmark movie that it was just this miraculous transformation of the miserable, sad executive finding love and her passion for art and
Stephanie Kruse (19:51):
Your Hallmark movie, right? Mm-hmm.
Sarah Gormley (19:52):
So the Hallmark movie only exists cause of 10 years, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's the only thing I know for sure is that I would not be where I am physically in this house and emotionally in this state of fulfillment without doing the work of therapy. So that said, what I struggled with and worked through in therapy was really self worth.
Stephanie Kruse (20:17):
Yeah.
Sarah Gormley (20:17):
And believing that I was not only worthy of love, but worthy of creating a life that was fulfilling and being open. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> to those changes. So it's a ball of lots of facets. But again, the one thing that I know for sure <laugh> none would've without there
Stephanie Kruse (20:46):
Is, or it can be looked at like, oh, therapy. Everyone wants to talk about gonna their therapist. Yeah. However, I think of it as a tool.
Sarah Gormley (20:56):
Mm-hmm
Stephanie Kruse (20:56):
<affirmative>, it's a tool and it's a muscle you started to flex and play around with and under and tone it. And all of it is really comes down to some sort of self-awareness and people get that through therapy, Uhhuh, <affirmative>, people can get that through being extremely involved in athletics. People can get that from reading and writing. People can get that from relationships they have. Right. For you it happened to be honed through this tool of cognitive therapy. Right. So now that you've kind of come through that, you know, it's interesting too because you talk about this isn't an overnight thing. You were actually working on yourself for 10 years and Sure the last four years looked very different from where you began, but you were going through a progression with your own internal awareness even before.
Sarah Gormley (21:47):
Yes. And I think I would argue that had I not started that work after mom passed away, I would've been right back in it. I probably would've been back to New York because you know, I didn't know how to be at home with myself. So Chase, chase, chase. Right. The gold stars never gave me what I wanted, but I didn't know what else to do except keep chasing them.
Stephanie Kruse (22:13):
Well yeah. You can have a relationship with a trophy or an amount of money. Right? Sure. Legit <laugh>.
Sarah Gormley (22:31):
So back to your point, I think I developed an ability to be more open to good things, which sounds so simple, but good Lord we're hard on ourselves, aren't we?
Stephanie Kruse (22:43):
Yeah.
Sarah Gormley (22:44):
I mean, oh
Stephanie Kruse (22:46):
There's always that voice, right?
Sarah Gormley (22:48):
Oh my God. The voice I'm dating myself and I call it like the running cassette
Stephanie Kruse (22:53):
Tape. Totally.
Sarah Gormley (22:54):
Where we tell our things. We would never say to our friends. Our friends would never say to us, we're so ourselves. And so I've learned to quiet like, go away. I'm gonna be over here having this amazing, fulfilling life with this wonderful man I love and adore you go away <laugh>, you get back to your cake.
Stephanie Kruse (23:14):
Yeah. And two, you know, you're in a time in life when I'm sure you have a variety of friends from different chapters in your life who have all taken different paths. Yes. Some have taken a path similar to your, some probably, you know, have gotten off the corporate track before. Yes. Maybe had kids, whatever. As you've gone through this journey, what have you found has been the most helpful from the relationships and the friendships it be from other women or family? Like what's been helpful to you with them or what have they said to you as you've gone through this?
Sarah Gormley (23:55):
I have the best friends, I dunno, like Ill say that I have had, just as I had probably more time and energy to put toward career because I didn't have a family of my own. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like I feel like I'm a great friend and I prioritized friends and like we have this group of friends that are just like best and I. So, but it's also us committing to other and prioritizing we see every year not sphere travel all over. And um, you know, the short answer is most of them didn't know how much pain I was in. Cause I, you know, I'm me, there's the facade and so we've had some talks about it and they are nothing but supportive and excited.
Stephanie Kruse (24:44):
I love that. So I wanna talk a little bit about art and creativity because you are a gallery owner and I imagine that that type of business is quite different from the Girl Scouts and Adobe and Martha Stewart and you know, all the other things that you had done. And there are many stories of women who become entrepreneurs, right? I mean, we see this a lot. What's been surprising to you and what's been the most challenging in this venture?
Sarah Gormley (25:15):
I feel like you see this on LinkedIn in particular all the time. Articles and the about like life of an entrepreneur and, and low. And like I have been as proud of myself as I've ever been in my entire career. And four hours later been driving home thinking this is gonna fail. So the entrepreneurial whiplash is so real. But specific to the art gallery, you know, there are different tiers of galleries and the thesis of sg g is that art can be a source of joy for everyone. And I really have an array of art and represent artists for both first time buyers and sort of season collectors, which sounds like a terrible business strategy. No one would say meet
Stephanie Kruse (26:09):
Everybody's needs. Yeah.
Sarah Gormley (26:11):
<laugh>. And so I'm like, well let's just try it. Let's make it work. But it's so unpredictable and so, you know, I have a new artist or a new show every four to six weeks I choose artists based on my belief and their work and the desire to share it and help them succeed. But it doesn't always succeed. You know, I've had a couple of goose egg months and I would sit and tell you that I still consider it one of my favorite shows and I didn't sell one thing.
Stephanie Kruse (26:37):
Right.
Sarah Gormley (26:38):
So then you go into my little, like the pit, the big high crashes. Then there's another show. So there's a rhythm to it that forces me to come back up. I'm not a natural entrepreneur. I'm not, I am a person who likes to know what the outcome will be, eliminate risk, know that I'm going to succeed. Right? Like, yeah, if I do X, Y will happen. And so will the raise. I mean like it's very mm-hmm <affirmative>, it's very formulaic and this is absolutely the opposite of that. It's unlike anything I've ever done and it's also 100% the most rewarding thing I've ever done in my career.
Stephanie Kruse (27:22):
In those moments where you're feeling like, wait, what have I done? This could all fall apart tomorrow. What stops you from walking away?
Sarah Gormley (27:33):
Well, I just signed a five year lease, so,
Stephanie Kruse (27:35):
Oh, there you go. <laugh>. Other than the lease, the legal ramifications and the money that you would lose from your lease, other than that,
Sarah Gormley (27:42):
No. But also, you know, it's the commitment to the artist. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's sort of a, um, I have the little tricks that I use for myself to keep pushing. I've said to my boyfriend and he says it frequently, like, when I get frustrated and get all like doom and gloom, you just say, keep going, keep going. Sarah. Hmm. Every once in a while, if I'm complaining about this or stressed about this, it's just a little text, keep going. You just, you go through and
Stephanie Kruse (28:09):
Yeah.
Sarah Gormley (28:10):
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what this looks like in five years and it's unpredictable and wildly fulfilling. So you just, you balance the two.
Stephanie Kruse (28:21):
See you are a parent <laugh>. I'm kidding. But I mean that's the thing I could say like it's the most relevant example of the complete unpredictability and also the most fulfilling thing that many people do. Right? Yeah. <laugh>. So what's next for you? Do you have a sense or are you just sort of letting this evolve in your keep going mantra?
Sarah Gormley (28:50):
Well, so I opened the new space at 95 North High Street and it's in a part of downtown Columbus that is sort of being reimagined and reinvigorated by a developer named Jeff Edwards. So I can feel it, I can feel the city starting to shift.
Stephanie Kruse (29:10):
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Gormley (29:10):
<affirmative>. And so it's a little bit of a wait and see, but also I'm able to participate in the change.
Stephanie Kruse (29:16):
Yeah.
Sarah Gormley (29:17):
Which politics aside a little bit, I'm in love with Ohio, I'm in love with Columbus. Um, I couldn't do what I'm doing with the gallery anywhere else in terms of support from other galleries, support from developers. Yeah. There's a fantastic rich arts community and I just keep doing what I'm doing and try new things. I hosted for the first time an event called Artist and Conversation at SG, and I had the fantastic poet, Maggie Smith. Mm-hmm <affirmative> with my current artist, Michael and Mc. And I just tried it. I thought, I have this in incredibly stunning space. Why don't I invite people in to meet these phenomenal artists? Have some real conversation about what it's like to be not just a working mother, but an artist working mother. And there's some nuance there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so the response was incredible. I mean, people loved it. I was pinching myself. I'm like, first of all, I can't believe I'm sitting in this incredible art gallery. That was my name on it with Maggie Smith, <laugh> <laugh> and Michael and McKay. So that's the moment of like, well look what you did Sarah.
Stephanie Kruse (30:31):
Yeah, I love that. So, because art needs to be shared by everyone. Where can people find you?
Sarah Gormley (30:39):
They can find me@sarahgormleygallery.com. Um, Instagram. Sarah, go gallery. Sarah with an H.
Stephanie Kruse (30:50):
Well, thank you so much, friend. It was such a great conversation and I learned even more than I already knew about you.
Sarah Gormley (30:58):
For all of us,
Stephanie Kruse (31:04):
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